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	<title>Comments on: Defeating contact form spam by hiding the webmail script</title>
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		<title>By: Steev</title>
		<link>http://www.ardamis.com/2007/07/12/defeating-contact-form-spam/#comment-29625</link>
		<dc:creator>Steev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 14:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am having trouble combining these two functions to work together.

Can someone please show me the JavaScript code that I should use if I want to combine both methods into one JavaScript file, and call them with one single function?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am having trouble combining these two functions to work together.</p>
<p>Can someone please show me the JavaScript code that I should use if I want to combine both methods into one JavaScript file, and call them with one single function?</p>
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		<title>By: ardamis</title>
		<link>http://www.ardamis.com/2007/07/12/defeating-contact-form-spam/#comment-17583</link>
		<dc:creator>ardamis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 15:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quite right.

And I explain how to create a &#039;trap&#039; field for spam-bots in a similar post:

http://www.ardamis.com/2007/09/12/defeating-wordpress-comment-spam/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite right.</p>
<p>And I explain how to create a &#8216;trap&#8217; field for spam-bots in a similar post:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ardamis.com/2007/09/12/defeating-wordpress-comment-spam/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ardamis.com/2007/09/12/defeating-wordpress-comment-spam/</a></p>
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		<title>By: New Orleans Web Design</title>
		<link>http://www.ardamis.com/2007/07/12/defeating-contact-form-spam/#comment-17549</link>
		<dc:creator>New Orleans Web Design</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 15:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s another possible addition to this equation: add a text field that is hidden via CSS. Name it &quot;Subject&quot; or something similarly-important-looking. Reject a submission if the field IS filled out; a human should never see it due to the CSS rule.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s another possible addition to this equation: add a text field that is hidden via CSS. Name it &#8220;Subject&#8221; or something similarly-important-looking. Reject a submission if the field IS filled out; a human should never see it due to the CSS rule.</p>
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		<title>By: Contact Form Spam &#8212; Sumy Designs Web Design Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.ardamis.com/2007/07/12/defeating-contact-form-spam/#comment-17332</link>
		<dc:creator>Contact Form Spam &#8212; Sumy Designs Web Design Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I just implemented it today, so I will report back later with my success or failure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I just implemented it today, so I will report back later with my success or failure.</p>
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		<title>By: defaultCharacter</title>
		<link>http://www.ardamis.com/2007/07/12/defeating-contact-form-spam/#comment-17248</link>
		<dc:creator>defaultCharacter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 21:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the tips, they were very helpful.  I use an SaaS to capture sales leads submitted on a web page form; the data was going directly to the SaaS vendor&#039;s database.  The spammers copied the action URL and sent the string to our db with the required fields.  As you suggested, I implemented a similarly named &quot;formprotect.js&quot; file, the fake php, and a note that appears if scripting is turned off on my site and reduced spam by about 95%.  :)  We don&#039;t want to use the challenge/response technique as some people just won&#039;t submit the form if there is too much for them to input, so I am still getting some odd submissions from the web (still some kind of bypass of the required fields), but will research those further.  

I just don&#039;t understand what these bizarre people hope to accomplish by spamming.  They must spend a lot of time doing it.

Thanks again for sharing with us your creativity. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the tips, they were very helpful.  I use an SaaS to capture sales leads submitted on a web page form; the data was going directly to the SaaS vendor&#8217;s database.  The spammers copied the action URL and sent the string to our db with the required fields.  As you suggested, I implemented a similarly named &#8220;formprotect.js&#8221; file, the fake php, and a note that appears if scripting is turned off on my site and reduced spam by about 95%.  <img src='http://www.ardamis.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   We don&#8217;t want to use the challenge/response technique as some people just won&#8217;t submit the form if there is too much for them to input, so I am still getting some odd submissions from the web (still some kind of bypass of the required fields), but will research those further.  </p>
<p>I just don&#8217;t understand what these bizarre people hope to accomplish by spamming.  They must spend a lot of time doing it.</p>
<p>Thanks again for sharing with us your creativity. <img src='http://www.ardamis.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
		<link>http://www.ardamis.com/2007/07/12/defeating-contact-form-spam/#comment-17133</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 21:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s when you build a new system, of course. Nothing lasts forever... especially not when people are trying to hack it all of the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s when you build a new system, of course. Nothing lasts forever&#8230; especially not when people are trying to hack it all of the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Sweeney</title>
		<link>http://www.ardamis.com/2007/07/12/defeating-contact-form-spam/#comment-17086</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Sweeney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 20:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s to stop a bot reading the correct form action in the JavaScript file?  I can easily see how such a system would initially block bots due to security through obscurity but what happens when your system becomes well known?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s to stop a bot reading the correct form action in the JavaScript file?  I can easily see how such a system would initially block bots due to security through obscurity but what happens when your system becomes well known?</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://www.ardamis.com/2007/07/12/defeating-contact-form-spam/#comment-10429</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good work.

I&#039;ve uploaded the &quot;validate&quot; script OK, but I&#039;m still getting spam using the form fields. 

Your &quot;bad form / good form&quot; script looks ideal. However, I&#039;m have trouble with the code when I try to make both scropts work in the the same form action.

Any chnace you could post a simple form or text file with the double protection included.

Thanks anyway for the validate script.

Best regards

Jack</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good work.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve uploaded the &#8220;validate&#8221; script OK, but I&#8217;m still getting spam using the form fields. </p>
<p>Your &#8220;bad form / good form&#8221; script looks ideal. However, I&#8217;m have trouble with the code when I try to make both scropts work in the the same form action.</p>
<p>Any chnace you could post a simple form or text file with the double protection included.</p>
<p>Thanks anyway for the validate script.</p>
<p>Best regards</p>
<p>Jack</p>
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		<title>By: ardamis</title>
		<link>http://www.ardamis.com/2007/07/12/defeating-contact-form-spam/#comment-9990</link>
		<dc:creator>ardamis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, ok, point taken.  How about:

&quot;To accommodate visitors who aren&#039;t using JavaScript, the fake script could instead be a page explaining that JavaScript is required to submit the contact form and offering an alternate way to contact the author.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, ok, point taken.  How about:</p>
<p>&#8220;To accommodate visitors who aren&#8217;t using JavaScript, the fake script could instead be a page explaining that JavaScript is required to submit the contact form and offering an alternate way to contact the author.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: betabug</title>
		<link>http://www.ardamis.com/2007/07/12/defeating-contact-form-spam/#comment-9986</link>
		<dc:creator>betabug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 13:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;To satisfy accessibility concerns for visitors who aren’t using javascript, the fake script could be a page explaining that javascript is required to submit the contact form.&quot;

...that&#039;s going to help those people a lot, e.g. if they are blind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;To satisfy accessibility concerns for visitors who aren’t using javascript, the fake script could be a page explaining that javascript is required to submit the contact form.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;that&#8217;s going to help those people a lot, e.g. if they are blind.</p>
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